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Good post. I don’t mean to be mean, but Erika Kirk seems very fake. She’s a model, so it’s not a surprise, but I just find it weird that she’s so public after her husband murder. I don’t think Kirk is still alive and it’s all fake, but I guess since her husband was a public figure she kinda has to speak.

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As I wrote in my note, which this comment is largely a cut and paste from, this essay is a well-written critique of “Rejecting Forgiveness,” mostly from a theological perspective but with practical considerations. I appreciate the author’s theological expertise, a strength I simply do not possess, although I do not believe I speak on these matters in ignorance, as some Christians who have taken offense seem to allege. More Chrisitans need to read texts like this.

I am also grateful that, despite sharp criticism of a certain sort of Christianity in "Rejecting Forgiveness," the author bears no ill-will and is largely complimentary of my essay. The manner in which I have been treated by some Christians has been distressing, so exchanges like this are not only reassuring but touching.

One concern I have is the characterization that I am pagan. "Rejecting Forgiveness" explicitly denotes I do not believe in Odin theisitcally, although stranger things have happened. (I have conversed with Odinists who claim to have seen him). I simply appreciate Odinism for its religion of philosophy, at least from what we can gleam from the Eddas and the fragments that have survived the middle ages. I am agnostic/atheist. Finally, I see no reason why Christians of German and Anglo heritage cannot draw from these great stories as an expression of their racial identity as well as the practical moral philosophy Odinism imparts to the Occident.

I am also not anti-Christian. I am anti-transgender,anti-racemixing, arguablyh anti-Semitic, but I am not anti-Christian. I am quite critical of many facets of modern Christianity. There is a difference.

I must also take umbrage with this sentence:

The fact that an outside commentator could see this failure more clearly than many pastors is our shame, not his triumph.

It is both: their shame and my triumph!

Finally, while I appreciate that forebearance of personal vengeance is necessary for civilzation overall, I have no qualms about the morality of personal justice, other than the practical considerations of getting caught and convicted. I speak of things like a best friend since high school seducing a person's wife, or molestation and rape of someone's daughter, that kind of thing. I will refrain from writing to conform to Substack guidelines. As I wrote in "Rejecting Forgiveness," "while not quite all is permitted," truly fearsome, unspeakable forms of retribution are, provided one can avoid practical consequences.

Richard Parker

PS-those who enjoy my essay are encouraged to leave comments. Essay with high comment counts tend to get featured. https://www.unz.com/article/rejecting-forgiveness-denouncing-the-christian-rhetoric-of-erika-kirk-and-others/

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